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Michael Lewis: Nobody Understands the Stock Market

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April 2 (Bloomberg) -- "Flash Boys: A Wall Street Revolt" Author Michael Lewis discusses his book, trading and the stock market on Bloomberg Television's "Market Makers." (Source: Bloomberg) -- Subscribe to Bloomberg on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/Bloomberg Bloomberg Television offers extensive coverage and analysis of international business news and stories of global importance. It is available in more than 310 million households worldwide and reaches the most affluent and influential viewers in terms of household income, asset value and education levels. With production hubs in London, New York and Hong Kong, the network provides 24-hour continuous coverage of the people, companies and ideas that move the markets.
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fredocorleone (18 hours ago)
When I used to put stock order trades out, I used to put my real limit order trade on the market and then quickly put a very large limit order trade on the other side, which was 10-20% from the market price...then move it slightly closer to the market price, until my real trade was completely picked up. My real trade would get taken quickly by the market-maker computers, because they also saw the huge demand from my other big-order-bait, then I'd simply cancel the other bigger order. You can manipulate the market maker algorithms with really large orders that are somewhat far away from the market price.
Kathy Ryan (4 days ago)
These two anchors are rude and condescending to their guest.
Thomas Randall (4 days ago)
Basically Michael Lewis is saying that a retail investor has no chance day trading. The small guy should only invest or at the very least hold on to shares for a year or so. That way if you get the short end by a fraction on your initial buy it will be negligible to your overall profit/loss over such a length of time. Fractions are everything in day trading and if you get the worst of it every time you open/close your position you have zero chance. This is the downside of capitalism. You get told that the only way to get ahead of the game (or at least have your savings stay ahead of inflation) is to have a stake in capitalism itself and buy some stock rather than put it in a bank account. But even then you get ripped off for doing the right thing. These institutions with all the dough take zero risk because they are just basically skimming off every retail investors trade but you have to do it because there is no other option. Even if you avoid managed portfolios which are basically a rip off, you still have to use a broker. What they take for what they do is not justified. The woman here is also right, the quotes they give you have been doctored. It probably occurs when you search for the stock symbol before executing the trade (which they make you do on the brokerage platforms). Complete con
Paul Pena (8 days ago)
Why is HFT legal? If insider information is illegal because it gives you an unfair advantage then why not HFT which gives you an unfair advantage.
J P (21 days ago)
He's speaking plain english but these "News Reporters" are complete morons.
Strayan Drongo (29 days ago)
This interviewer is an idiot
Jonathan Woo (1 month ago)
the reporters are vested in the idea the market is fair becuz their livelihoods depend on its continual operation no matter how rigged it truly is.
Rich B (1 month ago)
Michael Lewis is spot on-- Wall St is rigged against retail traders and investors .Eric and Stephanie at Bloomberg are shamefully defending Wall Street because their jobs depend on Wall Street.
Ernesto Sanchez (1 month ago)
He doesn't want an intermediary like he explains in the end. Im assuming he doesn't know what blockchain is cause blockchain could be his answer.
Jakob P (1 month ago)
So we should abandon the brokers (aka the middle men)? Also is he saying day trading is rigged, while investing long term in the stock market is fine?
manictiger (15 days ago)
He's saying HFTs are the middle men. He wants brokers to trade with other brokers with no one in between to scalp. They have that though. It's usually really shitty stocks on OTC and PINK that do that. The amount HFTs make per trade is fractions of a penny. That being said, his talk about HFTs paying brokers to delay information is interesting.
Simple Mind (1 month ago)
2 Million dollars guy explaining how's is really done, and a group of crack heads digressing from the main topic--very typical of mainstream media to keep the masses in the woods.
M. Bison (1 month ago)
so market makers get a small gain off every order. but long term market can't be rigged. short term it is.
Rxbyg Duh (1 month ago)
These reporters sound like the traders on the street pre-2008. Trust me, I was there.
Johnny Wong (1 month ago)
How did these two clowns even get into Bloomberg????????? Felt so bad for Micheal that he wasted 14 minutes talking to these two
James Louis (1 month ago)
It is a game being played by the people with the most to stay ahead of most but will never relinquish control of the world unless forced to.
Conor Patrick (1 month ago)
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Website guy (1 month ago)
New information. It is rigged. Buying what you guess is the long term bottom over time not all in one buy is your only chance. You must hold.
Jim Mathers (1 month ago)
Everything today is fraud, ponzi schemes, lies and scams. Most people today live in a fantasy world or they are invested in something they are going to tout. Mutual funds have a dozen hidden fees; not just one. More bad info in this video. Average citizens are the pawn in these games and are always left holding the bag.
WiseJustice (1 month ago)
Guess ((( who ))) ?
Jane Liu (1 month ago)
The lady report did not get it....
Wili Wds (1 month ago)
Typical journalists tricks , by constantly interrupting loudly trying to confuse Micheal's train of thought , very sneaky tactic !!!
agreen182 (1 month ago)
Why is there always a fking woman who won't shut the hell up and let the smart person talk?
JBTechCon (2 months ago)
I'd like to see him interviewed by two people who aren't complete idiots.
Cold Fury (2 months ago)
Dis bitch is pretty smartt
Noah Vale (2 months ago)
Buffet's strategy is to buy affordable stocks that will grow in value and hold on to them..
Deepak Jindal (2 months ago)
I do, and xan prove it, if no, then i will give 100000 usd. 91 8800468480
KB venture (2 months ago)
Wow super interesting !
Dark Ur Comics (2 months ago)
The argumentation falls flat with his first argument: Nobody owns the casino.
Joe Richard (2 months ago)
The key word or words is "Delayed Price."
Patel Vidhu (2 months ago)
Stock market is rigged. Very hard to make money.
Waran Kaurr (2 months ago)
Author rocks host sucks!!
John Batchler (2 months ago)
That is how I trade I think the stock market as a crap table roll the dice but one thing is this that he is partially wrong the fundamentals r still in play to find hidden gems he is wrong about u don't really need to be near wall St to beat it's game just do small trades to do it computers can't pick up small trades like they do in large trades no matter how much they tweak their hft computer they still can't pick it up
James Heavey (2 months ago)
Mike Lewis is a fraud- his books are really novels where the plot never changes: an upstart band fights evil dark forces in a landscape that only a few really know. It’s cheaper to buy and sell stocks then it ever was- no thanks to Mr. Lewis.
mdesm2005 (2 months ago)
Jezz Louise, listen to your guest, put your egos down and let the man speak ...
J.S.A. Libertus (2 months ago)
Three people talking past one another and misleading title. Dropped the ball on this one.
Eric P (2 months ago)
He needs to work on his stutter.
Scott K (2 months ago)
She is quite cunty.
Jim Vetromila (2 months ago)
OMG, The stock market is rigged !!! 😆😆😆 Who knew ???
Philip Giacalone (2 months ago)
Both of these Bloomberg hosts are jaded dupes trying to distract us from the undisputed facts Michael Lewis is presenting.
Rick Believes (3 months ago)
Lewis is an idiot.
rhythmlessly (3 months ago)
Geeze!! Those hosts are dense...
Kacy's Kastle (3 months ago)
It's obvious the reporters had some alterior motive here. I've never seen reporters deflect so much and then become argument from the original purpose of the interview.
bigfoot129 (3 months ago)
no intermediary in the Market is : cryptocurrencies ..no intermediaries
michdad1 (3 months ago)
He is totally off on the way the markets work. He’s a traditionalist in his understanding as are most analyst. Using quantum mechanics over a period of 100, 200, 400, and 800 years one can KNOW exactly where we stand in the markets. Fundamentalists are nothing more than a cog in a gear. Fundamentals don’t cause market action they are enveloped in a larger function and are the result of the physics.
Matthew W (3 months ago)
I'm not sure what point the reporters are trying to argue. But then again I don't really understand the sock market. They are talking about the stock market right?
Harry Kiralfy Broe (3 months ago)
The market is 100% rigged.
Jan Smit (4 months ago)
Loved The big short. Dogshit wrapped in catshit
Aram Kroner (4 months ago)
She irritates.
Farmboy1544 (4 months ago)
TBH I read 3/4 of Flash Boys, and at no point in this interview did they actually talk about trades getting hijacked do to higher speed predatory trading. Which is what the book is about. It's too bad because what they were stupidly arguing about was far less interesting.
Hippy Flipper (4 months ago)
You have to understand
L_A_G (4 months ago)
Is just me or does it really look like the interviewers are trying their best to argue against and embarrass Michael Lewis? The whole thing reminds me of when Cathy Newman tried to embarrass Jordan Peterson in an interview with him and only succeed in embarrassing herself.
John Hogan (4 months ago)
1. Make a list of everyone who strongly disagrees with this guy. 2. Jail them all and seize their ill gotten gains. 3. Use 1 per cent of those recovered funds to pay for their lifetime needs in jail.
Bill Woo (4 months ago)
The lady seems to be a closed minded establishment shill.
rich k (4 months ago)
yes market is a rigged system
Donald Scott (4 months ago)
Buy and hold for 5 - 15 years and you don't need to worry about all this crap!!! Fake-President Trump is killing our economy!!!
Jam Tarts (4 months ago)
I’ll tell you something else that’s crooked.....................the fucking media!
Jam Tarts (4 months ago)
I understand it completely!..............it’s as crooked as a fucking dogs hind leg! Don’t go anywhere near it.
Eric Ragnar (4 months ago)
Am i being fair in saying the interviewers are a couple of morons?
James Rockford (4 months ago)
Who are these 2 sheep?
Painter Dood (4 months ago)
The SHELL GAME CONTINUES.
leinadssab (4 months ago)
this bitch is purposefully derailing him
Bris Vegas (4 months ago)
The whole world is rigged, all the truth in the world equals one big lie :)
Ik Lam (4 months ago)
Can't these people make a point without yelling at each other?
Ken Powers (4 months ago)
Stop interrupting, Lady!
Newsspews (4 months ago)
These reporters are really fighting for the exchanges, that it isn't rigged. It's so simple. When you send a trade, they have programs that will make a trade before your trade goes thru. Not hard to understand.
Nic Arnold (4 months ago)
Blockchain technology will revolutionize the trading in the stock market. There will no longer be, as stated by Michael, unnecessary transactions between brokers and other intermediaries. Exchanges will be strictly a place where buyer meets seller and the information on the exchanges won't be controlled by a broker or other intermediary looking to profit from flash trading.
Pratik Thakare (5 months ago)
ask yourself just a question about who are big investors in various online trading platforms? search it. you will be shocked. its rigged.
Indrajit Dewanjee (5 months ago)
the hosts are saying since we have better technology now, we shouldn't complain about someone misusing a little part of it.... their argument is so dumb that i feel dumber because I cannot summarize an argument against them
Federalist (5 months ago)
Michael Lewis and $hkreli in a room would be fire.
Isuzu Buyer (5 months ago)
Lewis, isn’t capable of understanding what’s going on. Pay for order flow is simply 3rd party traders working the bid/ask. If you don’t place your order “at the market”, they don’t make money and you get your fill if it’s available. Another huge blunder of Lewis, was his conclusion about why the housing market collapsed. I was selling my home in 2005 and was shocked at how many homes were sitting vacant. They were vacant because FreddyMac was giving loans and bridge loans to high risk people and those people were trying to flip and straggle Realestate..
DoucheNozzle (5 months ago)
Why böame hfts. Surely, they frontrun you. But they still earn onlya pip. This is their strategy, but the strategy of a hedgefund should be able to withstand that small loss.
Anna Nymous (5 months ago)
Yes, the stock is rigged.
davidsonnow (5 months ago)
FFS ppl, Stop asking stupid questions like: how could these hosts be so stupid?! News anchors/ financial hosts are paid propagandists. Period end of story
Captain Ron (5 months ago)
I don't quite get this as it relates to me .. Is somebody "frontrunning" me when I buy 100 shares of a stock?
Mathematician Von Neumann(one of the brilliant minds) contributed a lot to Game Theory, Stability Analysis and some other things. All gambling places use theories that are built to profit themselves and not the customers/traders/investors. It is so obvious that its rigged.
Michael is talking to idiots who pretend as if they know in and out of Stock Market.
paul kieffer (5 months ago)
Stupidest reporters around!!
KnifeCatcher (5 months ago)
This is why trading stocks is tough. You need to trade futures, not stocks. Are there HFTs in futures markets? Sure. But, a futures market's plumbing is very, very different from a stock market's plumbing.
1800splitair (5 months ago)
WTF am i watching here? came to see why nobody knows anything bout the stock market but saw only reporters have no idea! haha WTF... again.
Mike K (5 months ago)
that chick has no clue of what he is talking about, I wish she was smart enough just to stay quiet, but she looks pretty :) , interesting info
Tony Rodriguez (5 months ago)
Thank goodness we have cryptocurrecnies that allow us to do just that now. It will literally swallow up wallstreet once companies turn their stock into trad-able assets that can be exchanged in their store for a discount or simply traded for gas or anything. This world is happening and I pray people do some more research on this. Don't research on investor/news sites, look up Andreas Antonopoulos.
ALLEN KREYMBORG (5 months ago)
COMPARES ARE MORONS !
Daniel Duerst (5 months ago)
A better analogy might be the fact that the Bar of Lawyers Union, never fights against preferential treatment to lawyers.
Bonnie Wilson (5 months ago)
Especially at 11....
My Focallure (5 months ago)
this man is high on weed
David D (5 months ago)
Michael Lewis is a joke.
MASTER BLASTER (5 months ago)
If they closed the market today I wouldn't careless holding my stock as an owner of a company
Babyface ATL (5 months ago)
I dont care if it is rigged, just tell me who is gonna win so I can make the right bet
Event Trading (6 months ago)
people r being front run? maybe u want 2 front run it's BS millions 2b collected open your eyes
Event Trading (6 months ago)
Get ur head out of your ass and play the game stop whining
jemma k (6 months ago)
Question everything☝🏻️
Bill Cahill (6 months ago)
I'd like Michael Lewis to do his own video. He has a lot of interesting things to say, and there's no reason he should have to be constantly interrupted by two idiots who don't.
Jeff F (6 months ago)
These two were embarrassingly ignorant about the entire topic
Justin Beers (6 months ago)
If all Brokers and Account Managers can be sincere like Frank Robert i think no trader can be suffering losses all the time, as nice as he is telling one the truth at the right time with his awesome strategy taking traders challenges upon himself, i am blessed in trading with him as my Account Manager, right with him my weekly winning is always 25k usd, he is so nice to everyone that comes his way.
gmshadowtraders (6 months ago)
Haha love it! Classic! RIP THESE LOAN SHARKS APART MICHAEL. THE MARKETS ARE RIGGED FULL STOP. CASE CLOSED.
Kartik Bhatt (6 months ago)
Michael is a legend. His book is a fantastic read. These idiot interviewers just do not understand contents of his book or the market. Listen carefully to their questions, they have as much intellectual content as a packet of crisps.
HellBent (6 months ago)
I bought a lot of AAPL in 2014 at $80/share. I sold it in 2017 at $160/share. If that's the outcome of a rigged system, I'll take more of that! ;)
meme dream team (5 months ago)
HellBent you missed the point idiot
Eric D (6 months ago)
"Rigged" may not be the best choice of words. But others having an advantage is absolutely true.
Chuck Longino (6 months ago)
Never give a sucker an even break! 😲
Mojave4ever (6 months ago)
Bloomberg, in general, confuses their unfounded opinions with fact. They're incapable of holding an intelligent conversation about anything related to the financial markets.

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